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the election the romney campaign said they just couldn't believe that the obama operation was capable of doing this. >> karen, to what extent do we think that the electorate that they produced in 2008 and 2012 is a function of obama himself as opposed to the changing face of the country? >> it's both of those things. i mean, it is -- it is unclear whether the kind of appeal that barack obama had for young people, for instance, could translate to some other candidate. certainly it's the case with the african-american vote. but the fact is the republicans are up against a real demographic problem here because they won the white male vote handily this time. and the problem was that this was the first election that that really wasn't enough. and that is a foretaste of what they're looking forward in coming elections. >> there's been a lot of handwritten outcome about money. at the end of the election it turns out that barack obama had raised a billion dollars, nearly a quarter of that in the last two months all mostly from small donors. looking ahead a little bit, what does this mean about the fut
congress in history? >> the public is implicated in this. 2008 the public elected president obama, democratic house, democratic senate. 2010, a large number of people in the public changed their minds they got angry at us over health care, which was misunderstood, angry at us because we inherited a section that we weren't able to defeat because of their obstruction. in 010 -- in most democracies that would be it. we have a constitution under which it's called the staggered powers, checks and balances, the last three elections are there. the problem is in 2008 you had one group of people elected, in 2010, another. there wasn't simply the people in 2010 were conservative. very substantial number of the people elected as republicans in 2010 do not believe in governance. they do not understand there are things we need for the quality of life we have to come together. this isn't bob dole. this isn't howard baker. this isn't ronald reagan. these are people that are quite extreme. what's happened is that many republican whose believe in compromise and trying work things out some defeated
. >> susan? >> i thought it was obama's class warfare during the election. it helped him win. >> clarence? and the obama campaign's ground game getting the campaign offices open out there. >> boldest political tactic to bet. to bet citizens setting themselves on fire by the scores, self-immoe lating to attract wavering world attention to what they see is china's repressive world. okay worst political scandal. pat? >> worst political scandal? i would say general petraeus and his girlfriends. >> really? >> well, i brought down -- look they almost brought down the entire central command down there in florida over with due respect two young ladies and it was a horrendous scandal and destroyed the career of one of the most famous american generals of the 21st century. >> conduct unbecoming a gentleman. >> what he said. go ahead eleanor. >> i have to agree but i must say i'm waiting for the book i'm sure he will write a book. i hadpy they jus too but my backup dsk who -- would have been the president of france if he hadn't changed a hotel chamber maid around the room in new york. that was just
-on embrace of president obama for helping sandy-ravaged new jersey came days before the election and had no noticeable effect on the presidential race but some republicans think christie didn't have to be that -- >> if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to shut that whole thing down. >> a combo team from the say what categories, richard murdouch of indiana and todd aiken. >> even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, it is something that god swended to happen. >> dreams to take control of the senate in 2012 had dwindled throughout the year but aiken and murdoch pretty much shut that door in a couple of sentences. plan to prevent employers from hiring undocumented workers. >> people who have come here illegally won't be able to find work and over time those people would tend to leave the country or self deport. >> self deportation by undocumented workers was not by itself responsible for romney's dismal showing among hispanics, but certainly greased the skids. for which romney would have liked to have had aa mulligan, there was this. >> 47% of the people who w
be well advised to accept the fact that president obama won the election and minimize the damage that will be done by the tax increase that is coming. >> chris: you would go for the stripped down obama plan? >> i would go for what the speaker tried to do late last week and try to get the number up from $250,000. yes, there is going to be a tax increase on the wealthy. i would try to protect investments as much as possible. do the amt patch. have a reasonable deal on estate taxes. i'm a squish on this. got to make the best of a bad situation. i think what will happen incidentally is republicans will be faced on monday, on december 31 with having to vote on a much worse proposal than the one they didn't give speaker boehner the majority for. >> chris: the plan b. >> harry reid will pass through the senate on thursday or friday a tax hike on everyone over $250,000 and republicans will have the joyc choice on m, letting it come to a vote. i think the speaker probably has to. b, will they lose 20 or 30 republicans to join the democrats to pass this or not. i think it is a worse outcom
is on right now. >> we can now definitively say that president barack obama will be re-elected, mitt romney will come up a loser in this race. >> jon: the billing media story of the year, the presidential election. that was how it ended. barack obama beating mitt romney and an end to a bitter season that started early with the g.o.p. primaries and events like this. >> we saw some of this black church in south carolina where a woman asked you why you referred a president obama as the food stamp president. it sounds as if you are suitcase to go belittle people. >> first of all, juan, the fact is that more people have been put on food stamps by barack obama than any president in american history. [ cheers and applause ] >> i know among the political kli correct and i'm supposed to you use facts that are uncomfortable. [ laughter ] >> so that was just part of a long and memorable primary season. juan, is that your highlight of the year. [ laughter ] >> my highlight? it is telling again for newt gingrich. he in a subsequent debate when we was asked about extramarital life and enough about these
entirely. an opportunity to nail president obama on benghazi and bring it home and win an election and he chose not to. he chose to play it safe. to me, that was the turning point. he got bad advice. somebody said you know what? don't do this. or he had knowledge of what was going on, because he was given the knowledge by the white house so he felt compelled to keep it secret. the other thing, too, his son said mitt didn't want to be president. that is tragic to me. it might have meant that mitt would have been a good president. >> juan: do you think it's true? >> greg: people who don't want to be president the end to be good president -- tend to be good presidents. >> andrea: washington turned down power of king. >> eric: i disagree. it's such a demanding job -- >> greg: but to say, conservatives by nature do not like government. natural inclination not to want to be in charge. >> eric: let me add something to the story. mitt romney blowing it in the last debate, candy crowley. second? second. misinformed, oh, yeah, president obama mentioned it. he wasn't prepared. >> he held back. >> er
thou,000 a year. the bush tax cut will expire at the end of this year. obama was elected with a surplus of about three million votes. he won the election. he campaigned on this issue. again, the speaker can't take yes for an answer. the president has presented to him something that would prevent us from going over the cliff. it was response to something that the speaker gave them himself but i guess with the dysfunctional republican caucus in the house, even the speaker can't tell what they are going to do because he backed off even his own proposal. the house, we hear so often, is controlled by the republicans. and we acknowledge that. i would be most happy to move forward on something that senator mcconnell said they wouldn't filibuster over here that he would support and that boehner would support if it were reasonable. but right now we haven't heard anything. i don't know and it's none of my business, i guess, although i am very curious, if the speaker and the majority leader, the republican leader over here are even talking. i mean, what's going on here? mr. president, you can't le
president obama, and they helped him stay a elected and one of the reasons was dismissing stuff like that. and the second thing, it's fox news dismissal syndrome, fnds. when it shows up on fox news and it is reported, then the other networks go it's not a story. you get the weird irony that people in the media are hoping that the american people are ignorant t used to be the media would say if only we had a more educated public. now they are getting educated on the story, and, no, it's not a story. >> this is a very serious case obviously. a lot of people disheart ended there wasn't a more thorough investigation and sitting on documents and not coming forward with what the american people needed to know. and benghazi, this story is still going on, the investigation, who is going to testify, who is not. and still more questions than answers. >> amazing. there is a guy in jail because of a video that was blamed for these riots and for this horrible, horrible tragedy. the real scandal is why did they push this video? and if one person could just answer that question. it wasn't a mistake. the
benghazi, the re-election of barack obama, the political conventions. most certainly i am not going to think about gangnam rap. no. i will define 2012 by things far more important than any of those things. the birth of my granddaughter and my grandson's first bigger events for me. if i am still around in 25 years , i promise i wonts be watching -- i won't be watching youtube videos of katy perry or reading vampire novels orie living my own -- or reliving my own moment on the stage in tampa. i hillary visit the day in the pumpkin patch with two infants who will only remember being there because we showed them photos that documented their visit. i will pull out photos of dogs that will have long since passed, but who will still put a smile on my face just at the hint of the loyal love they gave me. i am going to remember trips my wife and i took to see places we never dreamed we would be able to visit. now, if you detect something in all of that, it is probably that when i think of what i am still going to believe to be important about 2012 years from now, it is not politics or a pop
to domestic programs. democrats, of course have no intention of doing that. especially after president obama won the election. senate democratic leadership aide tells me that will remains a 50/50 chance we will get a mini deal temporary extension of tax cuts under $250,000 before the january 1 deadline when we would go over the cliff. will are no assurances of that. a white house official told me as president obama prepares to fly back to conduct and participate in the negotiations at the end, there has been no progress over the holiday weekend. michelle, i'm afraid that people who are looking for a deal and looking for a deal by december 31, all hope is not lost. it is not looking good at the moment. >> let's go back to this hitting the debt ceiling on monday. we learned of this because treasury secretary tim good night mother sent a letter to the honorable harry reid majority leader. and that's where he outline it is fact that in three business days, the summit government is going to run out of borrowing capacity. john, if there were a treasurer in a business who went to their boss and sai
the election of barack obama -- i just don't really believe that. i think the fundamentals of the u.s. economy are very strong and a lot of people want to invest here. we have elections for the president every four years and for congress to correct itself. i think that is a great strength and a source of resilience. i resist the sentiment of fatalism. host: is it a concern of other efforts that the administration wants to do going forward? guest: i think benghazi is going to remain an issue for the administration because republicans are going to investigate more. it is also going to remain an issue because of the fact that right now there is still no one at that compound after more than three months after this attack. it looks as if terrorists killed a u.s. ambassador and have thus far gotten away with it. until somebody is brought to justice, it is going to be a huge problem because right now what it looks like is -- the perception is terrorists can kill an ambassador and get away with it. i think the most damaging story was in the "the new york times" when they interviewed one of the chief s
for being with us. first lady michelle obama slinging delegations about what she claims were voting irregularities in the presidential election. on the radio show she said voter suppression was in full force in many states all over this country.s ar the first lady cited no specifics and prompted judicial watch to iss the fina following statement. mrs. obama's exhibitions of minority vote suppression or racially divisi and show a dangerous disregard for the troops. we are aware of no evidence of actual voter suppression.r if she has some issues to disclose. by the way, we have not heard from the justice department on this issue at all. given his history that we certainly would have if there waslth any incident of voter suppression. our next guest defense the tough voter id law say it is a paramount important that we protect the integrity of the process and make sure voter irregularities and voter fraud is eliminating. joining us now, attorney general of south carolina, great to have you with us.at first, your reaction to what the first lady had to sy. >> i obviously disagree with the
in for bill o'reilly. in the personal story segment tonight. president obama attracted year whelming support among hispanics in the last election sounding defeating mitt romney 71-27 among those voters. this is less conservatives searching for a way forward on immigration. some folks in the party are suggesting finding inspiration from former president george w. bush who recently weighed in on the debate. america is a nation of immigrants. immigrants have helped build the country that we have become and immigrants help build a dynamic tomorrow. can be a lawful society and welcoming society at the same time. i hope we do so with a ben benevolent spirit. >> is bush the face wants to embrace for the party's future. former political director for former h.w. bush and joining us from san diego murdock a fox news contributor. great to see both of you. let's start with you here. is this the way forward for the republican party now? the republicans took a beating. they got wailed on. the messaging was romney didn't do enough to court hispanic voters. is it really illegal immigration the problem or la
that was going to be a big factor, a it turns out it was. i don't think it ends up deciding the election. lots of other things that ended up, but ther is no question that having chris christie give president obama that figurative and literal embracef the national tage a week before the election when he was the keynote speaker at the republican convention was held to the president's. >> and the your out of time. of all was right on the issue according to the poll and is suppord his position. lou: we will take note of two things. yourandid one. your former boss played a bi part. wewould bot agree that governor christie probably should have been telling you know, a conference call to the both of agree with mr. obama when he said, we can't tolerate this any re. he's right. but we are tolerating so much that we should not in this country. should we tolerate the murders of almost 500 people in one city over 01 your time frame? preserve our national grief for 20 children and six adults slaughtered in a matter of minutes last friday. should there be as well a presidential presence in multi religion pr
they punts add problem from a year and a half ago. but an election happened. president obama has the first democrat in 75 years to win and said $250,000 was his bar. the elections have consequences. so that's a legitimate place to be. everybody that got elected to the house of representatives just got elected, too. and they have a no new tax pledge. you are at logger heads here. i think there is a sweet spot where nobody wants to be the person to raise the taxes that we just talked about and have a big bill come across your table in january. >> i think really the problem is spending. we've spending problem in our country. look at our debt. our debt is over $16 trillion. our government is spending way too much money. we need to cut back on spending, cut -- >> arthel: where? >> look at the entitlement programs, for example. there's a lot of waste, fraud, and abuse going on there. that is not even on the table. and so listen, we can cut our expenses in our country that is spleeningful and very important for us to do because right now, they're just kicking the can down the road and it's not go
the election in november. the majority of american voters blame g.w. bush than obama for the country's current economic situation. i don't think the answer to this is by reembracing bush and having jeb bush running in 2016. putting on the brother of the man hot majority of the voters think is more responsible for the shape we are in. we had tremendous spending under g.w. bush. he increased spending just a little bit less than linden baines johnson did. second biggest spender since eisenhower since chris edwards cato institute. tarp, bailouts, medicare drug plan. expansion of government which again we have not seen since the great society. i don't think reembracing all of that and again becoming the party of big government conservatism is the way to get back in the good gracious of the voters. >> laura: i have great affection for the bush family. they spend every christmas at camp david. they were worried about their secret service and staffers being away from their families. i have great affection for them. i have had my policy differences with the bushes, however. and on this issue of illegal
. no solutions. no signs of progress for president obama. this left haven't hour scramble represents a test how he would balance the power of his re-election with his commitment to compromise. so who is to blame if both sides can't bridge the divide? tara dowdell, democratic strategist, with former jim mcgreevey and david webb, accident cirrus xm patriot radio. good to see both of you. i want to begin with this. last night on fox news, this is what south carolina senator lindsey graham had to say about this meeting today. he said, quote, anytime you announce a meeting publicly in washington it's usually for political theater purposes. so, tara, is this all show? >> well i agree, obviously there is always some political theater going on in politics. i would say this year's oscar though goes to john boehner for pretending toe be nexting in good faith. throughout this whole process he has been the primary person pointing fingers and the democrats offered several different, several different opportunities for the speaker to come to the table, compromise opportunities. most recently even agreeing to
, but there is no substance of an agreement. >> what we have are on the obama side, you have an election that pretty much took a mandate, if you will where the very issue of taxes was legislated and the americans said they agreed with the president saying that taxes rise for the wealthy and the right wing and the republican party who won by a wide margin in deeply conservative areas. they have a mandate. they are cancelling each other out. they each think they are -- that is why we are frozen. i don't know if it's been that way. the mechanics have been such that they are polarized to the point where it's paralyzing. >> the thing that baffles me and it sort of angers me is the conservative republicans, the president's vote in state after state in the electoral college. it used to be in politics if it was more respect for the voter and the voter speak today, one of the big things they seem to speak out on was this idea that raised taxes on people making $1 million or more. we are at a stand still on that. your sense of things in the house especially. the lack of respect for the voter, this idea that we have thi
to be a big factor, a it turns out it was. i don't think it ends up deciding the election. lots of other things that ended up, but there is no question that having chris christie give president obama that figurative and literal embrace of the national tage a week before the election when he was the keynote speaker at the republican convention was held to the president's. >> and the your out of time. of all was right on the issue according to the poll and is supported his position. lou: we will take note of two things. your candid one. your former boss played a bi part. wewould bot agree that governor christie probably should have been telling you know, a conference call to the know, a conference call to the both of [ malennouncer ] it's tt time of year again. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you realldon't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it findone, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super s
. if you look at sentiment among democrats especially further to the left since the election their feeling has been president obama won and we will not take this out of seniors and we will not take this out of medicare or social security. no cuts in those things. that position has hardened i think on the left in the past couple of months. >> chris: kirsten, i know you are a believer, i have been watching you this week, that obama won and really cleaned the republicans' clock on the whole thing because he ends up getting the tax rate increases that he wanted. on the other hand, you do have another debt line coming in in about two months according to timothy geithner and that is the increase in the debt ceiling. the republicans hold most of the leverage because they can at least threat ton send the country into default unless there are serious and major spending cuts. at that point does this obama victory perhaps look a little different? >> the question is are they going to want to do what they did last time with the debt ceiling which ultimately caused us to have a downgrade of our economy.
at -- among democrats, especially, further to the left, since the election, their feeling has been, president obama won, we will not take this out of seniors, we will not take it out of medicare, we will not take it out of social security. no cuts, and those things and that position has hardened, i think on the left in the past couple of mo couple of months. >> chris: you are a believer, kirsten, that obama won and, gets the tax rate increases. on the other hand, you do have another deadline coming in about two months, according to timothy geithner and that is the increase in the debt ceiling and at that point, it would seem to me the republicans hold most of the leverage, because they can at least threaten to send the country into default unless there are serious and main spending cuts. at that point does this obama victory perhaps look a little different? >> well, i mean, i think the question is, are they really going to want to do what they did last time with the debt ceiling, which ultimately caused us to have a downgrade of our economy. do they want to do that again? i think it is a bit
that obama had from the beginning and rarely got-- >> you're wrong, the election wasn't fought on the economy. >> no, it wasn't. >> a lot of people wants to know what happens with the heated debates off camera and we do. the answer is yes. we have taken heated debates through the commercial debates and into the next block and as we walk out the door back to our offices. >> i've got bruises on my le legs. >> you seem to like it. >> and tomorrow night on "the five" a special evening as we countdown to 2013, don't miss our new year's eve special at 5 p.m. and on again at 1 p.m. eastern and again, the fox news channel's all american new year's eve special kicks off with megyn kelly and bill hemmer and i got roped in as well. we'll be reporting live, pray for us, from times square. coming up, president obama made a rare appearance on a sunday talk show this morning and answered questions on his second term, benghazi and his plans to regulate guns. you're going to hear from the president when we come back, stay with us. >> it's unusual. ♪ [ cheeping ] [ male announcer ] you hear that? that's the
americans. house speaker john boehner said, quote, americans elected president obama to lead, not cast blame. the president's comments to be are ironic as a theme of our negotiations was his unwillingness to agree to anyone that requires him to stand up to his own party. brad blakeman, former deputy assistant to george w. bush, debby dingle from mish michigan to talk about us. deb y the timing of the president's interview seems a bit like taunting. was that the point or something else? >> i don't think it was taunting and i think you continue to see the president throughout the day say we've do the to try to negotiate to get ourself an answer. he has worked and worked with republicans trying to find a solution. i think everybody agrees, i pray everybody agrees, democrats and republicans alike, that not solving this and doing over the fiscal cliff is not an option. that means everybody has to give. etches stating a -- he was stating a fact and reinforced all day today he's working towards finding a solution. >> brad, are the republicans having a sour grapes because they didn't take to the air
to say michelle obama. not only because her husband won, because she doesn't have to campaign again which she hates, but because she sailed through the election. and, now, she can do the biggest stuff about obesity, the biggest public health challenge in this country, frankly, the whole western world faces. frankly, she can do what she wants. >> i going to go with claire mccask erksz lrksz l. not only because she won her race, but because she became the face of what republicans were doing. the craziness of their believes which we saw in erm thes of women's rights. >> jonathan? >> i would say that the 47% were the winners of this election because they told mitt romney and the republican party to stuff it. they got off of their lazy, unprincipled, immoraled behinds and got up there and vote ds for president obama. >> i got to go with the obvious one. president obama. his policy has been vindicated, his approval rating is rising. he's likely to oversee a recovery. he really, truly, was the big winner this year. >> i would go with jonathan with the 47% or even more of 99% because i think that
demonstration passed before the last election and 90% of those hikes were delayed until after the president got himself reelected. then we have massive spending, $8 trillion in debt that obama's running up the next decade. republicans have several tools. right now we have very well leverage in the debate over the fiscal cliff because that stuff happens automatically but the idea of a debt ceiling increase, they've told obama if you want a trillion dollars in higher debt and he needs that eight times in the next decade, you have to cut spending a trillion dollars. >> here, i'll ask you again. 0 i'm a republican congressman and i signed your tax pledge to not raise taxes. if someone says here's a bill that says if you sign this we will cut taxes for 98% of americans. how could you say no? my point is, the administration is winning the war of optics. if they played it out this way, do they not win? >> well, they've won the war of optics so far because everything's been done in camera. it's been done inside closed walls. if c-span and fox and -- were able to videotape the negotiations, the kind of
're not getting anything done. we elected, we reelected president obama because he wanted him to go on a path forward but it's not happening. you, and i think if the markets crash, it will scare a lot of people and i think and taxes will go up. i think they will point at both sides. a big problem for both parties. jon: alexis, harry truman had the famous buck stops here sign on his desk. should president obama get that out of the smithsonian or wherever it resides and take responsibility himself? >> i think the president has been showing a lot of leadership around this. i think that with the american people are going to do, if they are going to look at this in a much larger context. since the president has been in office the house republicans in particular, have been trying to hang the economy and budget deficit and around the president's neck. instead of trying to lead and figure out how to grow the economy and build a better opportunity for all americans. and so i think it is not just about the buck stopping with the president. i think president is doing all he can to really push, push the
it on their own time. not when the country is in a financial crisis. i think obama gets a superhero cape after this. >> andrea: people say republican goes down either way on this. but the house and the senate, this last election by blaming republicans. does he think he will get blamed for this? no. he figures i can do whatever i want. leave the republicans out for dead. >> eric: he is winning the messaging game. that is clear. >> andrea: i say that with confidence. he was able to say look, i was willing to meet them halfway. more than 50%. they don't want to work with us together. he is coming off strong, coming off the supporters, sticking to his position that he pledged to them with the campaign promises. what looks like house in disarray is boehner's house. >> bob: swy j to hear from greg. he's sitting on the edge of his chair. >> kimberly: he is medicated. >> greg: this is so boring. maybe i speak for a small percentage of the audience but this is boring and upsetting. we know the outcome. president obama set up republicans. going over the cliff is like a water slide. defense cut and high
about president obama in this crisis, i think, is that he walked in as a winner. he just won an election. he had everything going for him, much higher popularity ratings than the congress itself has. the republicans were humiliated. they had no leverage. so you get those republicans in. you get nancy pelosi in. and you shake it up. you give the republicans something so that they can save face pup make them raise taxes. at the end of the day, nobody's happy. but stability occurs. and the thing goes forward. i am continually surprised by president obama that he lets it become these dreadful enervating dramas. >> could i just say that when ronald reagan was president and everything peggy just said is absolutely true-- >> i'm so glad. ( laughter ). >> when ronald reagan was president, grover norquist was in diapers and rush limbaugh was a disk jockey, i think, in st. louis. you have had a hermetically sealed culture grow up on the right in this country that as we saw during the last election, is removed from reality and is extreme in the most egregious way. >> and you don't have to go all
with you, dick. you know, when the president was elected, americans were optimistic, they were hopeful, the numbers were quite high. here we are four years later after an obama presidency, and, you know, the public's expectations are bleaker now, more dire and gloomy. in fact, more so than they've been in a decade. which invites the question, was hope and change sort of a clever marketing illusion? >> well, this president's created close to five million new jobs, the economy's ticking up in every area; construction, small businesses are picking up. all of it's moving in the right direction. the folks who have spun doom and gloom, the romney campaign spent a billion dollars spinning doom and gloom, and so with that kind of money behind it, a lot of people bought that message. but a lot of people's lives reflect a much better reality within what the republican campaign -- gregg: yeah, but looking at another recession here. ben bernanke's guy who coined the phrase fiscal cliff. he says if we fall off of it in seven or eight days, that's going to lead to yet another recession. >> well, and
that will get through the house . the house was elected to protect the united states of additional obama care spipe types of spending . from the perspective it is it a char aid. he wants to raise tax for people with over $200,000 . patti murray tipped the president's hand when she said it is okay to go off the fiscal cliff . we get credit when we cut taxing back to the level they were before the cliff . it is it a political issue for them to attain their goalings. >> dave: some suggest that the president will be okay to go off the fiscal cliff . the president doesn't want sequestitration to go in into affect. hope they work it out. thank you for joining us from dc. coming up. unbelievably video of a plane crashed on a busy highway . we now know what likely caused the deadly crash . go ahead and down that champagne in the new year's bash. but what you can do today to make sure you don't have a hang over tomorrow. may attention. there's the sign to the bullpen. here he comes. you wouldn't want your doctor doing your job, the pitch! whoa! so why are you doing his? only yr doctor can determine if
the election. they have no strategy. you don't know what they want. they haven't decided what they want. if i default president obama, i would say sometimes he governs like a visitor from a superior civilization. he comes in here and he'll talk with boehner. he won't talk with the other republicans. he hasn't built the trust. boehner actually made a pretty serious concession, $800 billion in tax revenues. probably willing to go up on rates. but the trust wasn't there to get that done. and if the president wants to get stuff done over the next four years, it's got to be a lot more than making the intellectual concessions. it's got to get to the place where republicans say okay, we'll take a risk. this guy won't screw us. they do not feel that right now. >> chuck, just your reading of the immediate news that's going to be made over the course of today and tomorrow, again, what i think is significant, the president saying we either get this deal now or we'll go over the cliff, we'll come back right after the 1st of the year and try to get the tax cut through again. but the republicans are going
on entitlement reform on spending cuts. >> well, that's right. president obama believed and the democrats believe they have a mandate after the election. now, a mandate, you know, depends what you call a mandate. the election was not really close, but it wasn't also a grand slam for the democrats either. so there's a real difference in who -- what the mandate is here. and democrats don't feel they need to compromise. i think they think if we go over the fiscal cliff, they will have even stronger negotiating power. that remains to be seen because oftentimes when taxes go up and there is something that hits the economy really hard and puts it into a tailspin, it's the president who takes the blame. so i think even the president is wondering who's going to foot the blame for this one. but at this point i think the democrats feel they have the upper hand at this moment. if they hold tight, they will force the republicans to capitulate. i don't see that happening. i think both sides are really going to have to give in before we get a final deal. jon: so we'll have to see, you know, which side wins the
since the election. they have no strategy. they don't know what they want, and they haven't decided what they want. but if i had to fault president obama, i would say sometimes he has governed like a visitor from a morally superior civilization. he comes in here, and he will not -- he'll talk with boehner. he won't talk with the other republicans. he hasn't built their trust. boehner actually made a pretty serious concession, $800 billion in tax revenues. probably willing to go up on rates. but the trust wasn't there to get that done. if the president wants to get stuff done over the next four years, it's got to be a lot more than making the intellectual concessions. it's got to get to the place where republicans say, okay, we'll take a risk and this guy won't screw up. they do not feel that right now. >> chuck, just your reading of the immediate news that's going to be made over the course of today and tomorrow. again, what i think is significant the president saying we either get this deal now, or we'll go over the cliff. we'll come back right after the first of the year and try to get
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